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Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:51:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:This topic has been brought up a handful of times already. I'm not the first to post this, but I have my own idea of what the best point values would be. It'd be good to get a consensus.
I feel the WP reward for using different equipment should be tweaked, based on: how difficult a piece of equipment is to use properly, and how much it helps your team.
TRIAGE: +15 WP Too easy to print thousands of WP for something that's really not hard to do at all
GUARDIAN: +20 WP I don't feel a Guardian should be any more valuable than an Assist
RESUPPLY: +15 WP As mentioned above, hives are a great help to a team, and the players dropping them should be rewarded more considering their finite supply.
HACK START +50 (When you finish hacking the terminal)
HACK COMPLETION: +50 (When the point turns blue)
LAV DESTRUCTION: +100
HAV DESTRUCTION +150
DS DESTRUCTION +150
INSTALLATION HACK +50
I think we should consider decoupling the value of triage from rep tools and triage from hives, just because triage from hives is less common/less easy to get. So it would be similar to the difference between team spawn from uplink vs. team spawn from vehicle MCRU, say ~15 WP for triage from rep tool, which I think is reasonable, and 25 (or maybe even buffed to 30-35 WP) for hive triage. |
Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.03 17:05:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Lol,nonlogis.
Repping is rewarded exactly as it should be.
-you have no defense
-you're UP compared to even BASIC weapons
-you're targeted first
-you must stay within 20m
Hives however are fire and forget.
They require 0 active investment.
Again people claiming that everyone who wants WP rewards subject to sanity are not logis.
Well you are wrong. I started out with Gal/Amarr logis and I have Min/Amarr logis at proto now after the free respec a while back. I run logi probably half my games.
And I know Talos is a logi most of the time as well.
Not only are you wrong about the people you are arguing against, you're just wrong about logis in general. They arent helpless, they arent underpowered in some magical way, you are targeted first, but you can exploit positioning to force the enemy to engage your rep target first (I assume you're rep whoring like a scrub since you clearly have no idea how to play logi). And you do not have to stay within 20 meters, you arent chained to the guy.
I dont understand why you are complaining about hives being fire and forget, when uplinks work the exact same way but give huge WP rewards in comparison. You can get 15*25 = ~375 WP out of a high tier uplink, and for the same tier nanohive you'd be lucky to get 50 points out of it before some guy gobbles up all the nanites to refill his grenades. Thats to say nothing of the massive disparity in WP from repair tool vs. any other equipment. Its absolutely absurd that anyone defends the WP gains of that thing (or even the raw performance of it, since the damn things are pretty clearly OP with even rudimentary teamwork). |
Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
952
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Posted - 2015.08.04 07:41:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:SirManBoy wrote:Yeah, there will be no nerfing of the logi WP rewards, especially not rep points. The very notion comes from a place of envy about how the leaderboard looks at the end of matches. Get over it.
You non-logis should be happy that you're getting support at all. It's an expensive, dangerous, thankless, and often tedious job that helps everyone else perform better and have more fun. Logi has been my primary role since beta. I've racked up over 6500 WP in PC no less from reps and links. I didn't work 3 times harder than the person beneath me. Slaying in PC is a lot harder than holding R1 all match. There is valid discussion to be had here. Simply saying "You non-logi's are just jealous. Get over it" is pretty counter productive. Counter productive discussion isn't rare in the forums, but I would expect more from someone who is supposed to represent the community. I'll be the first to admit that heavy huggers are kind of lame, but they still provide a valid service on the battlefield and their role is extremely dangerous and selfless. It's not a matter of hard work, it's a matter of commitment to service, sacrifice, and winning. Slayers may work hard, but their work is a matter of intended course--they are doing exactly what they want to do, regardless if it helps the team actually win the match. Many logis, myself included, do whatever it takes to keep the match competitive and that often means going out of our way to perform thankless tasks that no one else wants to do with fits that can break the bank. That aside, this discussion is extremely far afield from the countless number of things that we need to be addressing to make this game better. I'm sorry if you feel that my tone is unbecoming of a player representative, but when you start talking about nerfing logi rewards I immediately start thinking of all the logis I represent who would expect me to address a proposal like this with extreme prejudice.
This is a really weird attitude. I logi because I enjoy it. And if its a thankless tasks you need better friends. |
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